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Tom Ronca - 2006-11-17 01:15:12
Re: "Groan" -- Can "Fight Club: The Musical" be far behind?
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Greg - 2006-11-17 06:26:16
I love my sofa/like nobody loves me. I love my job/I love all the money.
I don't need/anybody else.
When I think about me I punch myself.
Dude, everybody loves a musical.
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amatt - 2006-11-17 11:34:41
Skimmed through that article yesterday.
I especially like the photo of the white crowd at St. Nick's Pub. They are trying to gentrify that neighb in the worst way!
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Berry - 2006-11-17 12:51:18
Amatt:
white crowds have always flocked to st. nick's pub. they don't have to push to gentrify the neighborhood. people are moving there willingly and embracing it.
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amatt - 2006-11-17 15:28:26
Although people have been going there to live, there are others who are not yet aware. The photo is just reinforcing the idea that it's "ok" to hang and live there. Time Out mag is, after all, all about advertising to some degree.
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amatt - 2006-11-17 15:32:49
In other words, that photo is not placed there by chance.
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Greg - 2006-11-17 22:34:00
How much of "gentrification" is natural ebb and flow and how much is social engineering? Tricky subject. Push comes to shove, I don't trust the advertising dweebs and real estate sharks any less than I trust the grinning liberals who land in predominantly "ethnic" neighborhoods "embracing" diversity. Just watch and see which of their kids' classmates get invited for playdates and birthday parties. Then again having witnessed gentrification outside of major U.S. cities and in Europe, it's easy to see it's not just about race anyway.
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Greg - 2006-11-17 22:36:13
By the way... Mary J. Blige never touched me. Perhaps I'm not cute enough.
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Paula - 2006-11-18 08:50:42
the grinning liberals who land in predominantly "ethnic" neighborhoods "embracing" diversity
Uh, Greg, that's kind of easy and broad and fictional. Who are these "grinning liberals" you speak of? Can you give me an example of someone who moved into an "ethnically diverse" neighborhood because of their politics?
Are these like the feminists who get upset when you hold a door open for them? (I.e. leprechaun-like creatures that only exist in arguments such as these)
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Greg - 2006-11-18 13:42:45
Ooooh okay Carino... it's on!!! No, actually, I edited that post far too much and ended up painting kind of a broad swath that didn't say much. I think most people move where they can afford to live, and there are some, in some cases that move to a neighborhood for a certain lifestyle and it appeals to their self-image--the latest hip boomtowns, which often just happen to be in more economically challenged areas, which also often happen to be more diverse--at least in US cities. One thing I will stand by is that the cultural integration exists much more in a physical sense, in that people are often just sharing the same space. I've seen many situations where there is more "barely tolerant" than "embracing," despite a lot of lip service. No, I don't think there are any white liberals moving anywhere specifically because it's diverse though (and I should add that diverse is realtors' euphemism for lots of brown people. It's up there with "neighborhood in transition.") And I have to stand by that it has little to nothing to do with race or ethnicity. Windsor Terrace for example--is still pretty segregated color-wise--but there is a clear and nearly hostile divide between neighborhood people and new arrivals.
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Greg - 2006-11-18 13:44:56
Oh, and I should add that I've never met a person, male or female, that was upset at having a door held for them. The "feminazi" from my experience is more mythological than the chupacabra.
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