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Tom Ronca - 2004-06-28 18:58:15
The audience I saw it with in L.A. was clearly very psyched for the whole thing -- They actually hissed Ashcroft, Rumsfeld and Bush as they made their initial appearances onscreen (which personally I could have done without, but it does give some idea of the enmity felt by the audience for the current regime). I think everyone who intends to step into a voting booth this fall should see it, whether they be Republican, Democrat or even Whig. And what's this "I can't stand Michael Moore personally" business?!? What'd he do to you? Steal your lunch money?
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Paulita - 2004-06-28 22:19:48
Well, no, I just recoil from his presence. He is the Rush Limbaugh of the Left. He seems like a royal jerk. If he had a small percentage of the dignity of the Marine corporal he persuaded to be his sidekick in the "senators' kids" stunt, I would perhaps like him a whit. He sent his kid to private schools, for pete's sake.
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Tom Ronca - 2004-06-28 23:18:33
Well, clearly he's a nudge (I believe, self-admittedly on his part, it's his avocation), but I guess I just don't have as visceral a reaction to him as you do. I mean Rush Limbaugh I just want to club over the head. Michael Moore . . . oh maybe just lock him in a closet until he cries himself to sleep. At any rate he's done us all a service here for making this film. To any reading these comments; just go see it and make your judgments afterward.
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Paula - 2004-06-28 23:24:14
Yeah, my point bein' that I don't even like the guy and I thought his film rocked mightily.
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Bob - 2004-06-29 02:32:49
Do I haveta, if I agree with him? (Come to think of it, I ain't seen ANY of his films.) I'm all for liberalism, but am against self-righteous liberalism, cuz it creates reactionaries, which create fuckwit-ism. But the funny thing about this film is that, seemingly just because it's big at the box office, even non-choir members are going to see it. And today I heard, when scanning through a country station, a morning crew opining "yeah, you shouldn't give that guy any of your money... you should just buy a ticket to the screening next to it and sneak in... and hey, that could explain why "White Chicks" is up at number two this week!" But I guess I'll haveta go see it to see if it's more a righteously angry than self-righteously liberal tone, so I'll know what the hell I'm talkin' about.
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Paula - 2004-06-29 09:29:06
Do I haveta, if I agree with him?
Yes. I'm sure there'll be things in there you haven't thought about yet, and we need to, er, "send a message."
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2fs - 2004-06-29 15:33:57
We'll be seeing it later this week. Anyway, Moore himself can be annoying - I suspect if I didn't agree w/most of what he says, I'd find him way more annoying - but what's interesting is, if you look at the "blue state" rhetoric that stereotypes the left as elitist snobs out of touch w/everyday, working class life (I wrote about this at my blizzog), Moore is actually a comeback to that: he's working class (or was...) and looks and acts it. The fact that he refuses to lose weight, get a decent haircut, and stop wearing that stupid Detroit Tigers hat, just because the fashion cognoscenti say he should - that might well endear him to people for whom Al Gore and (worse) John Kerry reminds them viscerally of upper management. It's too nice a day to fix that syntax.
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Paula - 2004-06-29 15:39:30
He's about as working class as Blake Carrington. He lives on the Upper West Side, sent his daughter to pricey private schools, etc.
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Tom Ronca - 2004-06-29 17:54:39
Okay, You're all right; he is a jerk! -- I just happpened to be talking w/ a co-worker who knows some people at the firm which did the DVD authoring for 'Bowling for Columbine' and they've voluntarily passed on doing the same on 'Fahrenheit 911' solely because Michael Moore is such an asshole to deal with. To pass up such a prestigious and lucrative contract must mean he is truly a superlative A-hole (since everybody in film/tv is something of an a-hole . . .) So your intuitions are correct. My point is that media images of individuals are always fictitious (even when they're presented in a 'documentary'), so don't assume that someone's an A-hole just because they play one on TV.
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Bob - 2004-07-06 03:46:10
I'm gonna be a lame-hole and not go see it, cuz my brother just did and told me something that disappointed me. I could care less about the seven minutes in the classroom (what, was he supposed to pull an Al Haig and jump up and say "I'm in charge here!"?)... no, what really bothered me (and disappointed me that Moore didn't bring up) is that he allowed assurance of his safety to be put ahead of leading the nation in a time of crisis, by allowing them to take him to that bunker for a day, even though commercial planes were no longer flying and the airspace around the White House was being patrolled. In effect saying that staying out of the (maybe just maybe) line of fire was more agreeable to him than showing a steady hand to the nation just then. Or that a small chance of losing his life must take precedence over the nation definitely losing an out front leader for a most uncertain day. He just doesn't seem to be a man who feels the call. I'm not saying he should have been like the president of Taiwan (or somewhere over there) who got shot in an open car last year, and remained upright and waving at the crowd to show resolve, cuz those people are obviously nuts, if that's what it takes to lead them, but we're nuts if the complete opposite of that passes for leadership in this country. It just strikes me that, had he been at the Pentagon that day, W would not have conducted himself as well as his boy Rummy did.
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Paula - 2004-07-06 07:58:37
the seven minutes in the classroom
I'm with you there, I think entirely too much has been made of that.
day. He just doesn't seem to be a man who feels the call.
I think you've nailed it. But...you'd probably enjoy the film anyway.
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