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2fs - 2005-11-01 00:17:15
Maybe Vaughn should get together with Polly Jean Harvey - whose facial features are all oddly too big for her face.
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Paula - 2005-11-01 09:57:20
I dunno, would that help matters, or just make it worse? I guess we won't know til we try it.
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Baby Party - 2005-11-01 10:19:33
If PJ and Vince spawned, the result could possibly balance things out. By the way, Vince Vaughn is a whopping 6'5"!
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Baby Party - 2005-11-01 10:24:36
PJ Harvey puts me in mind of a phrase the French use to describe a woman who is not classically beautifully, but is considered beautiful precisely because of a quirk or imperfection in her looks: "jolie-laid" - which means, literally, "ugly-pretty." I saw a article somewhere about this recently, and they cited Sophia Coppola as another example. I think some men fall into this category too - not Vince, but someone like Willem Dafoe, for example.
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Editrix - 2005-11-01 11:08:25
Lluvy from "America's Next Top Model," Cycle 4, was definitely in the jolie-laid category. She was great -- had a real Ileana Douglas thing going on.
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Baby Party - 2005-11-01 11:15:50
Editrix, I google-imaged Lluvy, and I agree. (And I don't mean to include only dark-haired women with big eyes - I think someone like Cate Blanchett might qualify...or Juliet Stevenson...)
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Paula - 2005-11-01 11:23:40
Hmm, to me Cate Blanchett is all "jolie" and no "laid." And she was Elven royalty.
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Baby Party - 2005-11-01 11:42:03
Cate's eyes are very small, but she glams up real well. Renee Zellweger also has teensy eyes and I think she is often hideous, except in Jerry Maguire, where she was pretty. And I also thought that gal in 40 Shades of Blue was a good example of jolie-laid, but I think you thought she was homely...maybe that's a jolie-laid requirement, that some folks think you're homely!
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Paula - 2005-11-01 11:49:52
I think Renee is an example of a gal who is average-person-pretty but has an appealing persona that makes her attractive. Whereas, when I think of jolie/laid, I think of some of the actresses in Pedro Almod�var's films, or Sandra Bernhart, with intense facial features.
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Baby Party - 2005-11-01 12:02:57
Hey, I found the link to the NY Times piece - (registration required, hurry before it expires...): http://tinyurl.com/e2uhz
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Paula - 2005-11-01 12:39:37
And hey, look what it sez: "...the Spanish director Pedro Almod�var rarely casts anyone other than jolie laide types..."
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2fs - 2005-11-01 22:09:27
All these women have *interesting* faces - which is, uh, more interesting than boringly merely-pretty ones. I don't think "ugly" enters into it (unless you have absurdly high standards there) but there's a certain odd proportion thing going on. Illeana Douglas is cool, even if I never can spell her name right.
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Baby Party - 2005-11-02 12:11:42
I think "ugly" is the literal translation of "laide," but I get the feeling that "jolie-laide" has a much more complimentary feel in French than the phrase "ugly-pretty" does in English. The article at least suggested that the French value this sort of beauty way more than Americans do.
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